Feeding woes

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Re: Feeding woes

Postby Jelly Belly » 22 Jun 2013, 15:30

Pump is here and I've got a whole 1oz!!! Beats the pathetic teaspoons I was managing by hand :D

B&M & Sully, will let you know how the week is looking x
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby Svea » 22 Jun 2013, 16:26

Even a mild TT can be problematic. My aha moment came when, apart from the feeding pain, the unsettledness, him swallowing a lot if air etc, I noticed my nipples came out of his mouth lipstick shaped (not cigar shaped as should have been). He basically clamps my nipple with his gums rather than massaging it with his tongue. He can stick his tongue out to just over his lips, but has a indent in it then.

Anyways, just stuff I've found out since the issue came up for us 10 days ago....

And commiserations on the pumping. I hate it. I have a manual pump as the electric rally hurt my nipples badly but I never get more than one or two ounces out. Quite depressing when compared to some mama cows who manage 5 or 6 in 10 minutes :?
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby Jelly Belly » 22 Jun 2013, 17:28

Svea wrote:My aha moment came when, apart from the feeding pain, the unsettledness, him swallowing a lot if air etc, I noticed my nipples came out of his mouth lipstick shaped (not cigar shaped as should have been)

Bugger :(
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby AB&M » 22 Jun 2013, 17:53

There are some good lactation consultants working out of Watford general now so hopefully you can get to a clinic.
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby Allium » 22 Jun 2013, 17:57

I was so sure Floss didn't have a tongue tie as she could stick her tongue right out, but it was always pointing downwards, & she ended up needing her tongue tie snipped 3 times, the first time at 4 weeks and the last at about 11. I don't know if you're close enough to MK, but Suzanne Barber (IBCLC) was brilliant. Sounds like you're coping amazingly well :)
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby AB&M » 22 Jun 2013, 18:08

There is also a fantastic lady in Luton who I ended up seeing. I was given great advice on how to get more nipple in a tiny mouth! Annie didn't have a tie but her latch was awful & I had a lipstick shape for the first month or so while we worked on her latch.

Hope the pumping isn't too sore or onerous.
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby Svea » 22 Jun 2013, 18:27

I was told to feed lying back with baby vertically along my tummy, as this would ensure the best latch. Feeding lying down in bed is also good. I also stroked my breasts towards to nipple, encouraging more hind milk flow so he gets some of that. He doesn't poop a lot which suggests more fore than hind milk. Plenty of wet nappies. Lots of proper trumps too. Gets unsettled with wind but manages great burps when upright and is then fine afterwards.

He has regained birth weight as of today (15d) so pretty happy about that. According to my LC, you have about 6wks to sort this out before it starts affecting milk production (I.e. before lack of stimulation/draining of breast dictates how much milk gets produced). I am hopeful for monday and the snip to alleviate the issues we have. If it doesn't feel noticeably better afterwards, I might also consider having the lip tie snipped and would probably do that privately, bearing in mind this 6 week window.
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby Jelly Belly » 22 Jun 2013, 19:11

I can't get him on vertically but if I compress my breast he gets on and manages what feels like nutritional feeding for around 5 mins before he is knackered. We've had a couple of dirty nappies today, which is an improvement and a sign he is taking more.

That 1oz I was so happy about pumping came back up with his wind <sigh>.
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby issi » 22 Jun 2013, 19:11

{{{JB}}} Both my boys were like this. Ollie's tt needed snipping but snarfy's was only detected after things had improved. I remember the routine of feeding a sleepy baby, topping up and pumping. So gruelling and that was without 2 other kids to look after. It really was just a short blip in the scheme of things though.

Do you have a baby cafe near you. Or a decent children's centre? I visited ours quite a bit at that stage as there was usually someone to play with Tom or some new toys to entertain him and someone to help me feed.

And another tt-snipper, should you need any more recommendations, is Luci Lishman.
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby Jelly Belly » 22 Jun 2013, 19:19

There is a BF drop-in nearby on Monday (plus two more in the area on Tues & Weds) so will pop along. I suspect I'll run into an old friend, which will be nice.

Have found details of LCs who cover this area for both assessments and snips and will see if my IM recommends anyone when she comes tomorrow. May go private as I know the NHS isn't great for TT help around here and Bam can't afford to lose any more weight.
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby Mummyto1 » 22 Jun 2013, 19:29

Thinking of you JB. I don't know anything about these issues from personal experience but it sounds like you have great support and that counts for so much. I can relate to the misery of watching hard won expressed milk come back up though! Good luck over the next few days x
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby sully » 22 Jun 2013, 21:45

The 2 LCs that work together near me are amazing. One has also recently trained as a midwife and she does lots of tongue ties privately. The other sorted pumpkins feeding out for me and weve stayed in touch since then. Let me know if you want her number for a chat; she is lovely, and so full of knowledge. I cant wait to be off work to go back to their support group they run on Thursdays, and she is looking forward to having a tandem feeder at her group :-) Maybe when you're up for being out and about we can do a trip there together. big ((()))
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby PerpetualMadness » 22 Jun 2013, 21:54

I wanted to echo that mild TT can have a huge effect and quite severe ones v little. My TT was so bad that they snipped it when I was in primary school (8 or 9?) because they were worried about my ability to eat/digest but it had Never caused a problem breastfeeding or speaking. Both of my boys have TT, b also has ULT, and apart from some nipple flattening at the start it has been ok. My friend's lo had a milder TT and it ruined their bfing relationship and also stopped him feeding properly from a bottle.

So it's definitely worth getting it snipped. (((((JB)))))
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby AB&M » 23 Jun 2013, 09:22

If you need a taxi service when DH is working or any other way I can help, I am only 15 minutes away.
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Re: Feeding woes

Postby issi » 24 Jun 2013, 10:39

How's it going JB?
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